Transcript of Michael Burry’s talk, “Missteps to Mayhem: Inside the Doomsday Machine with the Outsider who Predicted and Profited from America’s Financial Armageddon”

Michael Burry spoke April 5, 2011 on “Missteps to Mayhem: Inside the Doomsday Machine with the Outsider who Predicted and Profited from America’s Financial Armageddon,” as part of the Chancellor’s Lecture Series

Burry, a Vanderbilt University School of Medicine alumnus profiled in author Michael Lewis’ bestselling book “The Big Short,” is best-known as the first financial analyst to predict America’s financial crisis.

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Vanderbilt Chancellor’s Lecture – Michael Burry April 5, 2011

Thank you, Chancellor.

Early last year, I had a brief discussion with longtime 60 minutes anchor Steve
Kroft about the stories he had done over his career, and whether he had any
favorites in the field of medicine. As part of this discussion, I related my
opinion that although he and I had met as a result of my activities in finance, I
had not met one person in finance who could crack the top 50 I met in medicine.
And I daresay, with all due respect to Stanford, 45 of those people are here at
the Vanderbilt Medical Center, or were trained at the Vanderbilt School of
Medicine. So you see, it is a terrific honor for me to address you today. I have
nothing but the highest respect for Vanderbilt and the people here.
As the Chancellor so kindly mentioned, I was fortunate enough to have author
Michael Lewis stumble upon my story nearly two years ago. Perhaps some of you
have read his new book, The Big Short. Today, I appreciate the opportunity to
address you directly regarding what happened to our economy, and where we’re

As some of you know, my formal education is not in finance. In fact, my time as
an undergraduate at UCLA was a seemingly random walk through Economics, English,
and Biochemistry, without even one course in accounting.
Too, as has been written, I have Asperger’s Syndrome, which places me on the
autism spectrum, and a childhood cancer left me with a fake left eye since I was
2. Both conditions have actually been huge blessings in a rather nifty disguise.
Perhaps for these reasons among others, however, in my ideal world, it would
matter not whether I could look someone in the eye, or whether I could stay awake
during lectures. Performance would matter above all else. From an early age, the
financial markets therefore held a natural appeal. In my view, men are at their
best when scrambling from the abyss, and are typically something less at all
other times.

Still, finance seemed something I could always pursue on the side. Some
volunteering I had done with children at UCLA led me down another path
anyway. And so, in the summer of 1993, I chose to enroll at the Vanderbilt
School of Medicine. Nevertheless, from the beginning I studied business along
with medicine. For instance, after my first year at Vanderbilt, as a student
summer extern at the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago, I came to study why it
was that rehabilitation medicine was doing so well even as others struggled.
I wrote up my conclusions, and looking back at that paper, written in 1994, the
year of Forrest Gump, I see the same type of research that led me to conclude in
2005 that the US Economy would start to collapse in 2007. Within various bits of
legislation, from the creation of Medicare in ‘68 to the Tax Equalization and
Fiscal Responsibility Act of ‘82, and the Social Security Amendments of ‘83, I
found the catalysts for private market trends that have come to dominate health
care for decades. From that summer on, my focus was on the interplay between the
actions of our government, and the over‐reactions of the private market. The
most important consequences, it seemed, were almost always unforeseen.
A few years later in ‘98, I was a resident physician at Stanford, but as Russia
defaulted, and Long‐Term Capital buckled, and the Federal Reserve panicked, I was
paying close attention. In fact, I came to see the Fed’s actions late in ‘98 as
a significant contributor to the ensuing blow‐off top of the dot com and telecom
bubble in ‘99 and early 2000.

I put my thoughts about stocks and markets up on a web site I was running during
the latter half of the 90s. And what I wrote seemed to attract attention. When I
criticized the prospects for index funds and hyperlinked to Vanguard, Vanguard’s
attorneys kindly told me to cease and desist. I was an early Amazon Associate,
but it really seemed to pay off when I got a gig writing for MSN Money at a
dollar per word. That was especially great for me since I’m wordy (as you’ll

A couple years later, as I launched my investment partnership Scion Capital,
Vanguard Chairman John C. Bogle would ridicule me as a charlatan in a Forbes
magazine cover story. It was a portent of things to come. Whatever success I was
bound to achieve, I would repeatedly face severe doubt from the well‐credentialed
who looked down on my lack of credentials. This, it seems, is an essential
feature of many American success stories. So, to Bogle’s point, I’m just a
doctor, what would I know about markets?

Well, Scion Capital started out ok anyway. I had left medicine with $145,000 in
debt and no assets under management, so of course it got better from there. It
was a wild ride from the get‐go, as I dived into bankruptcies, telecom blowups,
asbestos issues, toxic stubs and other nasty places where I thought profits might
be hiding. My fund was structured with a lot of flexibility, but I never gave my
investors much transparency into what I was doing. Quite honestly, I suspected
from the very beginning that it would perhaps frighten them unnecessarily.
Soon, however, my attention was caught by the growing importance of the housing
sector. The amount and type of leverage, the generations‐old assumption that
prices always went up (if you waited 3 years anyway) and the very broad societal
participation called out to me. This was not just a case of a few early adopters
or venture capitalists acting badly. The entire economy depended on home price
appreciation – consumer spending, jobs, securities markets, all of it. Soon, I
would see financial Armageddon looming, with housing as the trigger point.
In predicting when and how the collapse would occur, my focus was again on the
actions of our government and the response of the private sector. This was much
in keeping with my studies in Chicago a decade earlier.

So let’s consider the history. The idea of an “American Dream” involving
homeownership has been around for nearly a century. Nearly every modern
president promoted it in one way or another. The government helped returning GIs
buy homes after World War II, and the government securitized the first mortgage
portfolio back in the early 1970s. Private securitized mortgages followed
shortly thereafter.

President Reagan would sign the Secondary Mortgage Market Enhancement Act, which
among other things allowed pensions and insurance companies to invest in
securitized mortgages, and a short time later he made these securities a lot more
tax efficient. To be clear, securitization of mortgages meant there was nearly no
limit on the amount of mortgages originated by lending institutions. All
considered it harmless, a good thing for the American Dream. But all this desire
to satisfy the Dream needed a tool, something that would make home loans
themselves much more affordable for those without the income, credit, or assets
to afford one.

Stepping back to ‘82, the Depository Institutions Act legalized the Adjustable
Rate Mortgage in the United States. These adjustable rate mortgages, or teaser
rate mortgages, would, in various forms, be the primary mortgage product at the
heart of housing’s implosion two and a half decades later. But Adjustable Rate
Mortgages did not take off as a mortgage product until additional regulatory and
legislative changes in the 90s and early 2000s jumpstarted the market for
affordability products in the mortgage space.

Specifically, during the ‘90s, the Community Reinvestment Act of ‘77 was
reinterpreted by Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and President Bill Clinton. The
general point was to increase pressure on banks to make more loans to less
creditworthy customers. And they did. Subprime mortgages experienced a mini‐boom
in the ‘90s – issuance rose roughly five‐fold during the decade before a minicollapse.
Bill Clinton had a name for this drive: The National Homeownership

Then in 1999 the Gramm Leach Bliley Act repealed the Glass Steagal Act of 1933,
and officially removed the increasingly leaky separation between the activities
of Wall Street firms and depository banks. This freed banks to experiment and to
expand into new lines of business, none more fateful than experiments with
derivatives and asset backed securitization. The private market therefore
gained the capability to mount a massive response to all the government’s efforts
to stimulate housing.

We all remember ’99 well, but in fact our global village underestimated many,
many risks throughout the 90s. And so we had to deal with the stock market
crash, Enron, 9/11, Worldcom, and eventually War.

The Federal Reserve stepped in, cutting the discount rate it charges banks from
6% to roughly 1% in order to stave off recession. Other key short term rates
followed. Not at all coincidentally, from 2001 to 2003 we saw American home
prices, which had moved largely in line with changes in household income over the
decades, suddenly accelerate up and away from the household income trend line.
Home prices had good reason for such deviation. From 2001 through 2003, rapidly
declining short‐term rates ‐ to lows not seen since the aftermath of the Great
Depression ‐induced a boom in adjustable rate mortgages. A homeowner’s dollar
went a lot farther during the teaser rate period, and so home prices rose
unnaturally. Risk would be low as long as home price appreciation was strong,
thanks to refinancing options. It was a positive feedback loop, with full
blessings of the US government.

In fact, amidst early fears that the housing market was getting ahead of itself
in 2003, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan assured everyone that national bubbles in
real estate simply do not happen. As I surveyed the national trends in housing,
I wondered whether common sense ought rule against the application of precedent
to the unprecedented.

Mr. Greenspan went on to advise Americans in 2004 that they were underutilizing
the new types of adjustable rate mortgages. And in 2005, he lauded the
technologies enabling subprime borrowers to acquire homes. Tragically for all of
us, the Fed had the authority to block any lending practices it deemed deserving
of such treatment, but it had absolutely no will to do so.
In any event, by 2003, mortgage rates stabilized at 40 year lows. And,
importantly, plain vanilla Adjustable Rate Mortgages had already come into
widespread use.

This was a big problem for lenders with a growth mandate. They needed to
stimulate more loan volume despite stable mortgage rates and inadequate income
growth. At this point, if home prices were to rise significantly, they would
have to float almost entirely on the back of the type and quality of mortgage
credit provided to the buyer. Critically, Interest rates alone would no longer
determine affordability. In my letters to investors, I termed this “credit
extension by instrument,” and it took our housing market into a new paradigm. It
was the private market’s time to overreact.

The instrument chosen for subprime borrowers by lenders in 2003 was a relic from
the 1920s – the interest‐only payment option, applied to an adjustable rate
mortgage. Lenders, by implementing a mortgage feature they had long avoided,
showed, for all to see, they were interested in growth more than they were
interested in maintaining credit standards.

By fall of 2004, I noted for my investors that Countrywide Financial, a very
large mortgage lender, reported Subprime mortgage originations up 158% year over
year despite a 24% decline in overall originations. Evidence was manifest –
banks were chasing bad credits, inclusive of housing speculators. The only
question was how far they could go. Fraud jumped.

The point at which the provision of credit was most lax would mark the point of
maximal price in the asset.

I imagined the top in the housing market would be marked by a mortgage in which
home buyers of subprime quality were enticed to buy with teaser rate monthly
payments near zero. I was very aware lenders would take this to the nth
degree. Thanks to securitization, any loans the banks did not want to keep, they
could always sell on through Wall Street to a world of investors simply ravenous
for yield.

Importantly, because subprime mortgages were being turned into securities, there
were mandatory regulatory filings, and this is how I educated myself.
By summer of 2005, these documents revealed that interest only mortgages had
taken a substantial share in the subprime market, often more than 40% of subprime
mortgage pools that were passing through Wall Street on their way to investors.
This was up from just 10% a year earlier. Simultaneous second lien mortgages
ramped up, and the stated income option inspired a new vernacular – liar
loans. In some mortgage pools, 40% of subprime loans were for second or vacation
homes. Yet as of late 2005, Moody’s and S&P, so crucial to the securitization
process, were not reacting at all.

The top would soon be fast upon us. As the subprime Interest Only Adjustable Rate
Mortgage started to touch maximum sales channel penetration, we saw the
introduction on a wide scale of yet another, more extreme teaser rate mortgage
called the pay‐option ARM. In this new type of mortgage, never before seen in a
widely standardized format, the borrower could pay next to nothing each month,
and the unpaid interest would simply negatively amortize into the growing
mortgage balance. Rampant cash out refinancing had already made the home a
magical ATM and now housing had its magical credit card.

Yet, it was blessed by both lenders and investors. This was what I had been
waiting for: peak credit. Such a mortgage product would only exist as long as
home price appreciation was the central assumption. And Home Price Appreciation
was not long for this world precisely because these mortgage products existed.
Some of these sorts of mortgages started making their way into subprime channels
too. I knew this because by 2005 I could see these mortgages being packaged into
Alt‐A mortgage securitizations. But not all of these were sold through to the

Incredibly, Washington Mutual and Countrywide, two very national giants in home
loans, began to load their own balance sheets with these pay‐option ARMs. Facing
another slowdown in loan volumes, these companies saw the negative amortization
feature as a way to show loan growth in a slowing market. Yet, these companies,
in doing so, also expressed confidence in home price stability in the event of a
slowdown in loan origination. Of course, this is what the ratings agencies, the
Federal Reserve, Congress, the President and all the President’s men believed too.
I disagreed. I saw absolutely no chance of home prices going sideways, or
stabilizing for any significant length of time. Once home price appreciation was
no longer a given, these new types of mortgages would simply disappear. Home
prices, starved of peak credit, would necessarily fall, and fall steeply as
mortgage options crumbled away.

The crisis, in my view, would start no later than 2007, by which time teaser rate
periods on the vast majority of these new types of mortgages would expire, or
reset, for a population of homebuyers trapped in a mortgage they could no longer
afford. And on the way down, housing would take consumer spending and jobs with
it, setting up a positive feedback loop of a very damaging variety.

So, I decided to short the mortgage market ‐ and profit from the collapse. I set
out to buy credit default swaps on subordinated tranches of subprime RMBS. In
doing so, I gained a new level of insight into how Wall Street really works.
I called different Wall Street banks to try to convince them to trade in this
market with me. Initially, I found no takers. This whole effort was complicated
because it was important to me that this security would be standardized, such
that if I bought a credit default swap from one dealer counterparty, I could
easily trade the credit default swap to another dealer counterparty. Bespoke one
offs were full of contract and counterparty risk and were not my thing.
Nevertheless, by May of 2005, we agreed to our first trades shorting the subprime
mortgage market with Deutsche Bank. We worked on the soon‐to‐be‐standardized
contract language a bit, and in the first days of June ‘05, the first trades were
finally executed. We would ultimately use nine different dealer counterparties,
though I avoided Lehman and Bear. Goldman Sachs would feature prominently. To be
clear, these credit default swaps would rise in value as mortgages suffer

Now, I wanted to short tens of billions of these mortgages. This was an epic
investment opportunity and I shamelessly invoked Soros in my letters to
investors. I even attempted to set up a separate vehicle just for this purpose,
which I called, and this is for the English majors, Milton’s Opus, in the summer
of 2005. The effort showed I cannot sell ANYTHING. It met with incredible
skepticism from my investors, and when I reached out to outside institutions with
the idea, they simply went off to do it themselves. Milton’s Opus never got off
the ground. Milton’s Opus, of course, was Paradise Lost, and I had no doubt that
was where we were headed.

By late 2005, I was still alone as a directional short on this market. Goldman
and DB in particular seemed very interested in what I was doing. In fact, I would
short about $1.8 billion notional in RMBS, and about $6.6 billion notional in
corporate credits, including AIG, Countrywide, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, and
Freddie Mac.

AIG was particular interesting because I knew that AIG need not post collateral
for its derivatives trades as long as it had a AA or better rating. This
information came to me during our negotiations on credit agreements with Goldman
Sachs and Bank of America. So I theorized in emails to my staff as far back as
April of 2005 that a run on AIG would manifest itself in collateral calls as a
result of a ratings downgrade. That no one else theorized this would lead to the
unnecessary nationalization of AIG just a few years later, and would cost
taxpayers some $180 billion.

By February of 2006, we were essentially done buying CDS on mortgages, as the
ratings agencies finally responded by requiring more collateral in certain
subprime mortgage pools. In fact, by that time, the median price of new and used
homes had fallen from August 2005, according to the National Association of
Realtors. Early mortgage defaults on the summer 2005 vintage were at record
levels, as was the glut of new home inventory. Some panic was evident in various
articles at the time. It was time for the world to see what I saw. Yet mortgage
spreads continued to fall – the implied risk in mortgages was decreasing as 2006

Many have wondered why the markets did not send an appropriate warning signal.
The answer is that in late 2005, technical factors came into play that kept the
credit derivative markets from sending any warning signal.

To this point, Synthetic Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) relying on Credit
Default Swaps on subprime RMBS were ramping in a big way as correlation traders
sucked up the most subordinate, hardest to sell tranches, and tradable ABX
Indices tracking the market for credit default swaps on RMBS emerged. These
Indices catered to those needing an easy way to take on a lot of yield without a
lot of analysis, such as investors and correlation traders.

Together Synthetic CDOs and the ABX Indices helped distribute risk far and wide,
and in exponential fashion relative to the underlying real world mortgages. This
would not be a good thing, no matter what the Street’s risk model said. And to
be clear, there was only one risk model that they all used.

2006 would in fact be the year systemic risk was supersized. It was the year, for
example, when Merrill Lynch took its subprime exposure from a few billion to more
than 50 billion. Ultimately, Merill would have to write off over 40 billion in
mortgage assets – virtually none of which was on its books prior to 2006. This
was the year that really got Wall Street.

As I wrote to investors as 2006 got underway, “It is simply a tragedy of fate
that ever‐lower returns encourage ever‐increasing leverage, with only one
possible ultimate outcome. It is a tragedy of our times that our regulators will
do nothing about it.” As an aside, this is again true today.

I warned investors that 2006 would be difficult for us. It turned out more
difficult than I had imagined. Our counterparty dealers priced, or marked, our
book of CDS, and our ongoing fight with these dealers such as Goldman Sachs and
Morgan Stanley over the validity of these marks hit absurd levels. We were forced
to side pocket our RMBS CDS trade.

Facing a very angry crowd of investors, many of whom were demanding their money
back, I closed our Hong Kong Office, cut salaries, and laid off staff. We were
threatened with lawsuits, and I had to consider liquidation of the fund at
December 2006, at the worst possible time. I instead liquidated billions of our
corporate credit default swap short positions in something of a fire sale. As
our distress was reported in the press‐ and back then the only press I got was
bad press‐ dealers looked to take advantage. We would receive less than 1/10th of
1 penny on the dollar for many of them, hurting our performance more
so. Ultimately, our massive sales shaved billions in putative gains from our

But I knew my analysis was correct, and not one of the detractors seemed to be
able to get any of the details right. We retained the positions we could. This
began to pay off in 2007.

Not that even 2007 was easy. Recently, US Senator Carl Levin provided specific
evidence for something that we already knew. That is, our Wall Street bank
counterparties –all 9 of them ‐ were trying to screw us right up to the end. The
games these counterparties played with marks – or pricing ‐ on our positions ‐ I
could talk about those for hours.

But Senator Levin was investigating Goldman in particular, and he disclosed
telling emails that showed Goldman adopted a “short squeeze” to drive down the
price of credit default swaps such as those held by my funds. As Mr. Swenson, a
senior executive at Goldman, said in an email, “We should start killing the
shorts in the street…This will have people totally demoralized. “ In an another
email he said he wanted us to feel quote, “ maximum pain.” What had happened
from our point of view at the time was that Goldman had been moving to our side
of the trade as early as December 2006, and was working to get into our trade
even bigger themselves in Spring of 2007, so a lower price for the Big Short
benefitted Goldman Sachs ‐ and that is how Wall Street works.

In late June of 2007, credit spreads started marching higher, and then they just
took off for good once Goldman and others were in on the same side as my
trade. Then it was AIG’s turn to complain about Goldman’s marks.
Incredibly, it would later be reported, that more than $60 trillion in credit
derivatives existed at the peak. And the hyperbole would be “that is greater than
the value of all goods and services created on planet earth.” But it’s roughly
equal, and who really knows what the gross product of Earth is anyway? Still,
$60 trillion, how? Credit derivatives on an underlying asset could be worth
multiple orders of magnitude more than the asset because all asset‐backed
derivatives settled in cash. That was the secret sauce of the Doomsday Machine.
And so the crisis unfolded, with the market providing a signal far too
late. Even so, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson
continued to underestimate the situation. I was apoplectic.

Secretary Paulson now claims that even if he knew what was going to happen, he
could not have done anything about it. But let’s be clear. Hank Paulson was US
Treasury Secretary fresh from the apocryphal top job at THE Goldman Sachs in that
summer of ‘06, and he orchestrated the once unthinkable government takeovers of
AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the bailouts of Wall Street. He was anything
but an impotent tool, and he had a running start unlike any other. But if he
truly felt that way, this is an absolutely devastating commentary on how
government works.

In fact, as books and articles on the crisis proliferate, it becomes clear that
at nearly every failed or severely troubled major institution and within every
relevant department of the US government, there was someone whose insight was
every bit as farsighted as mine, and in some cases even more so. However, NONE –
ZERO ‐ were in the top job. That our CEOs, our Governors, our Presidents, our
Chairmen, did not see this coming, and did not adequately prepare their
constituencies, is an indictment of the manner by which we choose and enable our

But such would not be the conclusions made in 2008. By the second half of the
year, with the government targeting commodity hedge fund managers with punitive
subpoenas, the global attack on so‐called speculators and, again, hedge funds,
the nationalizations of Fannie, Freddie, and AIG and their liabilities, the
Federal Reserve’s wide open monetary policy, and TARP, I worried about the future
of a nation that would refuse to acknowledge the true causes of the crisis. In
my view, an historic opportunity was lost. America had instead chosen its poison
as the cure, and the second greatest generation would never be born.
Today, I expect the US government to attempt to continue easy money policies into
the next presidential term, past the meat of the foreclosure crisis and the
corporate and public refinancing humps. With junk bonds – incredibly ‐ at alltime
highs, yes, quantitative easing seems to be working, for now. But this is an
invalid validation of what America is doing.

This is in fact a Pyrrhic gamble, as we continue to debase our currency. Bernanke
says he is not printing money. Again, I disagree. As it stands, I get an email
from the Federal Reserve every single day saying they’re monetizing 7 or 8
billion dollars or so of Treasuries each and every day thanks to QEII. In fact,
QE II – not Queen Elizabeth but quantitative easing – QE II’s size and breadth
raises the severe question of the Treaury’s needs.

The government’s borrowing of money for the purpose of injecting cash into
society, bailing out banks, brokers, and consumers, is a short‐sighted, easy
decision for a population that has not yet learned that short‐sighted and easy
strategies are the route to long‐term ruin.

We never quite achieved the necessary catharsis to stoke a deep re‐evaluation of
our wants, needs, and fears. Importantly, the toxic twins of a fiat currency and
an activist Fed remain firmly entrenched, even more so with the financial reforms
enacted last year.

In fact, the Federal Reserve, despite having newly acquired broad powers of
regulation, has insisted that nothing in field of economics and finance was of
help in predicting the crisis. Such a conclusion is worthless. It guarantees we
will make the same mistakes again.

So…I have a problem with our leaders…I should note that I’ve been very much
overwhelmed on several occasions when considering the colossal mistakes of our
leaders. We need better leaders, but very frankly, this need is unlikely to be
met. A problem cannot be solved if it can never be acknowledged. Taxes need to
be raised, loopholes need to be shut, spending needs to be cut if we are to have
any hope of returning to a stable base. Certainly homeownership should not be a
policy of the US government, and the banking system needs substantial reform and
even bank breakups. Glass Steagal needs a second run in a strong form. And those
22.5 million public workers have no business unionizing against the taxpayer. The
list of things that likely won’t happen but should happen goes on and on.
As citizens of these United States, we should carefully consider what one
trillion means. All personal income taxes collected in a year do not so much as
add up to $1 trillion dollars, and yet by 2020 interest expense on our national
debt alone could exceed $1 trillion. When you consider our $1.7 trillion annual
deficit, also consider that the Treasury takes in just over 2 trillion dollars a
year. 2 Trillion also happens to be roughly the amount of bank and government
debt held now at the tremendously bloated Federal Reserve. Think about it, two
trillion seconds is 64,000 years. Our country’s math is scary big, but what’s
even more scary is that it simply does not work.

Arguments on blooming prosperity and economic recovery must be considered
alongside the fact that all the debt and all the money being printed is very much
a real bill, a real tax that has not yet come due, except with respect to savers
and those on fixed income.

As such, sober analysis on the part of the individual is paramount. We must
remember that entire societies can and often do follow the wrong path for a very
long time, and that there is nothing wrong with breaking from the social norm to
ensure good outcomes. Legacies are a terrible and sometimes fatal burden in a
rapidly changing world, and common sense must rule when it comes to career paths
and life choices. Though the situation seems to call for it, it is not a time
for the responsible individual to tolerate any level of blind faith directed
toward any man or woman. It is absolutely not a time to follow.

All that said, I might suggest opening a retail banking account in Canada.
Again, thank you for your attention. I am happy to answer questions.